Trent Horn: Why Aren’t You Catholic – Catholic Answers Live – 06/03/19

1. A bat giving Jesus a banana! 😂 ahhh, that made me laugh out loud! Kids are great 🙏🏼💗

2. You think? Means you don’t know that’s guess work Christ is the head of the true church not a mortal man.he Christ is the only one who is beyond corruption no Pope.

   1. Trent argues though about how in the OT God appoints a kind of prime minister to look after his people on Earth

3. God bless all our catholic brothers apologists, may our Almighty God will give them a reward in heaven for their work for the people who have negative views against the catholic church and bring them back to the One Holy Catholic Church, through this program so many people converted to catholicism. God bless.

4. In regard to 1:02:00 [Peter’s Primacy and the Bishop of Rome]:

   The Early Church:

   Irenaeus writes:
   [Special Note: Irenaeus was a student of Polycarp. Polycarp’s teacher was the Apostle John.]

   “Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the churches, we put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vanity, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings, by indicating that Tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every church agree with this church [at Rome], on account of its preeminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, in so far as the apostolic Tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere” [Against Heresies 3:3:2 (c. A.D. 189)].

   “The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate” [Against Heresies 3:3:3 (c. A.D. 189)].

   What can we logically deduce from Irenaeus’s writings?

   We can deduce that:

   1. Peter [with Paul’s help] built the Church up at Rome.
   2. Peter transferred the office of the episcopate to Linus. Succession is being demonstrated.
   3. There is a preeminence to the Church at Rome. Especially, in regard to Sacred Tradition. For as Irenaeus notes that, “it is a matter of necessity that every church agree with this church [i.e. the Church at Rome], on account of its “preeminent authority.” If something is “preeminent” it is not equal to another. Preeminence is defined as something possessing the quality or state of being “superior.”
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   Origen of Alexandria writes:

   “[I]f we were to attend carefully to the Gospels, we should also find, in relation to those things that seem to be common to Peter . . . a great difference and a preeminence in the things [Jesus] said to Peter, compared with the second class [of apostles]. For it is no small difference that Peter received the keys not of one heaven but of more, and in order that whatever things he binds on earth may be bound not in one heaven but in them all, as compared with the many who bind on earth and loose on earth, so that these things are bound and loosed not in [all] the heavens, as in the case of Peter, but in only one; for they do not reach so high a stage of power as Peter to bind and loose in all the heavens” [Commentary on Matthew 13:31 (c. A.D. 249)]

   What can we logically deduce? We can logically deduce that:

   1. Peter had “a great difference and a preeminence.”
   2. The rest of the Apostles were of a “second class.” This contradicts the beliefs held by some that Peter was first “among equals.”
   3. Only Peter had such a power to “bind and loose in all the heavens.”
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   Cyprian of Carthage (c. A.D. 253):

   ” . . . [the heretics] dare even to set sail…to the chair of Peter and the principal Church [at Rome], in which sacerdotal unity has its source. . . whose faith was praised by the preaching Apostle, and among whom it is not possible for errors of faith or heresy to have entrance” [Letters 59 (55), 14)].

   1. Sacerdotal unity has its source from Rome.

   2. It isn’t possible for errors of faith or heresy to originate from Rome.

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   More Ancients:

   Optatus of Milevis (c. A.D. 367):

   “You cannot then deny that you know that upon Peter first in the city of Rome was bestowed the episcopal cathedra, on which he sat, the head of all the apostles (for which reason he was called Cephas), that, in this one cathedra, unity should be preserved by all. Neither do the apostles proceed individually on their own, and anyone who would [presume to] set up another chair in opposition to that single chair would, by that very fact, be a schismatic and a sinner. . . . Recall, then, the origins of your chair, those of you who wish to claim for yourselves the title of holy Church” [Schism of the Donatists 2:2].
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   Peter Chrysologus (c. A.D. 449):
   “We exhort you in every respect, honorable brother, to heed obediently what has been written by the most blessed pope of the city of Rome, for blessed Peter, who lives and presides in his own see, provides the truth of faith to those who seek it. For we, by reason of our pursuit of peace and faith, cannot try cases on the faith without the consent of the bishop of Rome” [Letters 25:2].

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   Bishop of Patara [rebuking Justinian concerning the persecution of Pope Silverius] (c. A.D. 537):

   “In this world there are many kings, not one, like that pope who is over the church of the whole world.” [Liberatus in his Brevarium, c. 22].

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   Columbanus (c. A.D. 600):

   “[Rome] the principal See of the orthodox faith” [Columbanus, Epist. ad. Bonif. Pap. p, 353, Galland, tom. xii.].

   1. Thanks for the response, I’ll look into it after I finish in unum sint

   2. thanks for the references

   3. Orthodox would say “but the translation!!!”.

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